{"id":33873,"date":"2024-05-21T20:47:36","date_gmt":"2024-05-22T03:47:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/?p=33873"},"modified":"2024-05-21T20:48:52","modified_gmt":"2024-05-22T03:48:52","slug":"israeli-scholar-sees-hope-for-democratic-palestine-to-replace-this-apartheid-state","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/2024\/05\/21\/israeli-scholar-sees-hope-for-democratic-palestine-to-replace-this-apartheid-state\/","title":{"rendered":"Israeli Scholar Sees Hope for Democratic Palestine ‘To Replace This Apartheid State’"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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Israeli historian Ilan Papp\u00e9, an anti-Zionist, was interrogated by U.S. federal agents on May 13, 2024.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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“We are seeing… important processes that are leading to the collapse of the Zionist project,” said Ilan Papp\u00e9, following his interrogation in the U.S.<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

EDWARD CARVER<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

May 21, 2024 (CommonDreams.org)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Israeli historian Ilan Papp\u00e9, a prominent anti-Zionist, expressed hope for a free, democratic Palestine<\/a> in which Jewish and Arab people can coexist, during an interview on Tuesday with Democracy Now! <\/em>following his interrogation by U.S. federal agents last week.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Papp\u00e9, director of the European Center for Palestine Studies at the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom, was interrogated<\/a> by the agents for two hours about his views after arriving in Detroit on a flight from London on May 13. The agents took his phone away before returning it. Papp\u00e9 initially said the Federal Bureau of Investigation had interrogated him but later clarified<\/a> that he was not sure which U.S. federal agency the agents represented.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Papp\u00e9 cited<\/a> the interrogation in Detroit as an example of the “sheer panic and desperation” of Israel<\/a> and pro-Israel lobbies due to fear the country will become a “pariah state.” The interrogation came amid crackdowns<\/a> on pro-Palestine demonstrations on U.S. college campuses, as well as arrests of protestors and cancellations<\/a> of pro-Palestine intellectual activity in Europe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In Tuesday’s interview<\/a>, Papp\u00e9 denounced Israel’s historical policy toward Palestinians, declaring it to be clearsighted in its cruelty and intentional in its methods, as he has long done in his scholarly work, most notably in his 2007 book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/embed\/story\/2024\/5\/21\/ilan_pappe_airport_detention Referring to events in the late 1940s, he told Democracy Now! <\/em>that “the Nakba is a bit of a misleading term, because it means, in Arabic, a ‘catastrophe.’ But really what the Palestinians suffered was not an actual catastrophe, but rather ethnic cleansing, which is a clear policy motivated by clear ideology.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“There is not one moment in the history of the Palestinians in Palestine, since the arrival of Zionism in Palestine, in which Palestinians are not potentially under danger of losing their home, their fields, their businesses, and their homeland,” he added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Papp\u00e9 has argued<\/a> that as ugly as that history may be, the current war in Gaza<\/a> is even worse\u2014a step up from ethnic cleansing to genocide, in his view. His forthcoming book, Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic<\/em><\/a>, documents the influence of the pro-Zionist lobbyists in the U.S., the U.K., and elsewhere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Despite that influence, Papp\u00e9 said that he sees signs that the ideological hold of Zionism is weakening, and a freer, more democratic Palestine may be possible, telling<\/a>Democracy Now!<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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I think we are seeing processes, important processes, that are leading to the collapse of the Zionist project. Hopefully, the Palestinian national movement and anyone else involved in Israel and Palestine would be able to replace this apartheid state, this oppressive regime, with a democratic one for everyone who lives between the river and the sea and for all the Palestinians who were expelled from there since 1948 until today.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

“I am really hopeful that there will be a different kind of life,” he added, “for both Jews and Arabs between the river and the sea under a democratic, free Palestine.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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EDWARD CARVER<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Edward Carver is a staff writer for Common Dreams.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Israeli historian Ilan Papp\u00e9, an anti-Zionist, was interrogated by U.S. federal agents on May 13, 2024. \u00a0(Photo:\u00a0CC BY-SA 4.0\u00a0Wikimedia Commons) “We are seeing… important processes that are leading to the collapse of the Zionist project,” said Ilan Papp\u00e9, following his interrogation in the U.S. EDWARD CARVER May 21, 2024 (CommonDreams.org)… Continue reading → <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33873"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=33873"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33873\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":33874,"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33873\/revisions\/33874"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=33873"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=33873"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=33873"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}