{"id":38892,"date":"2025-01-19T03:09:22","date_gmt":"2025-01-19T11:09:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/?p=38892"},"modified":"2025-01-19T03:10:13","modified_gmt":"2025-01-19T11:10:13","slug":"octavia-butler-shares-cautionary-tales-in-unearthed-2005-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/2025\/01\/19\/octavia-butler-shares-cautionary-tales-in-unearthed-2005-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"OCTAVIA BUTLER SHARES CAUTIONARY TALES IN UNEARTHED 2005 INTERVIEW"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>STORYFEBRUARY 23, 2021<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Remembering Octavia Butler: Black Sci-Fi Writer Shares Cautionary Tales In Unearthed 2005 Interview\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/e0UgiE8vYuI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><em>Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought.<br>To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears.<br>To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool.<br>To be led by a thief is to offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen.<br>To be led by a liar is to ask to be lied to.<br>To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those you love into slavery.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This is viewer supported news. Please do your part today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/donate\/web-pgs\">DONATE<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">TOPICS<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/topics\/archive\">Archive<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/topics\/author_interviews\">Author Interviews<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">GUESTS<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/appearances\/octavia_butler\">Octavia Butler<\/a>award-winning science fiction author<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>As Democracy Now! marks 25 years on the air, we are revisiting some of the best and most impactful moments from the program\u2019s history, including one of the last television interviews given by the visionary Black science-fiction writer Octavia Butler. She spoke to Democracy Now! in November 2005, just three months before she died on February 24, 2006, at age 58. Butler was the first Black woman to win Hugo and Nebula awards for science-fiction writing and the first science-fiction writer to receive a MacArthur \u201cgenius\u201d fellowship. Her best-known books include the classics \u201cKindred,\u201d as well as \u201cParable of the Sower\u201d and \u201cParable of the Talents\u201d \u2014 two-thirds of a trilogy that was never finished. Her work inspired a new generation of Black science-fiction writers, and she has been called \u201cthe Mother of Afrofuturism.\u201d Her 2005 interview with Democracy Now! took place shortly after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans and as President George W. Bush was overseeing the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. When asked how she set out to become a science-fiction writer when there were so few examples of Black women working in the genre, Butler said she never doubted her abilities. \u201cI assumed that I could do it,\u201d she said. \u201cI wasn\u2019t being brave or even thoughtful. I wanted it. And I assumed I could have it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Transcript<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;This is&nbsp;<em>Democracy Now! The Quarantine Report<\/em>. I\u2019m Amy Goodman.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To mark Black History Month once again, as well as the 25th anniversary of&nbsp;<em>Democracy Now!<\/em>, we turn now to one of the last television interviews given by the visionary Black science-fiction writer Octavia Butler. In November 2005, she came into&nbsp;<em>Democracy Now!<\/em>\u2019s old firehouse studio. Just three months later, Butler died, on February 24th, 2006, after she fell outside her home outside of Seattle, Washington. She was 58 years old.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Butler was the first Black woman to win the Hugo and Nebula awards for science-fiction writing. She was also the first science-fiction writer to receive a MacArthur \u201cgenius\u201d fellowship. Butler\u2019s best-known books include the classics&nbsp;<em>Kindred<\/em>, as well as&nbsp;<em>Parable of the Sower<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>Parable of the Talents<\/em>&nbsp;\u2014 two-thirds of a trilogy that was never finished. Published in 1993,&nbsp;<em>Parable of the Sower<\/em>&nbsp;is set in the 2020s in California \u2014 that\u2019s right, the 2020s, now, in California \u2014 amidst a global climate and economic crisis. Octavia Butler described them as cautionary tales.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;They were what I call cautionary tales: If we keep misbehaving ourselves, ignoring what we\u2019ve been ignoring, doing what we\u2019ve been doing to the environment, for instance, here\u2019s what we\u2019re liable to wind up with.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;In her books, Octavia Butler also wrote about slavery, about fascism, about religious fundamentalism and so much more. Her work inspired a new generation of Black science-fiction writers. She\u2019s been called \u201cthe Mother of Afrofuturism.\u201d And Octavia Butler\u2019s audience has continued to grow. In September, she made&nbsp;<em>The New York Times<\/em>&nbsp;best-seller list for the first time \u2014 50 years after she began writing and nearly 15 years after her death.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Democracy Now!<\/em>\u2019s Juan Gonz\u00e1lez and I&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.democracynow.org\/2005\/11\/11\/science_fiction_writer_octavia_butler_on\">interviewed<\/a>&nbsp;Octavia Butler in November of 2005. It was shortly after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans. President George W. Bush, the former governor of Texas, was in the White House overseeing the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Part of this interview aired live, but some of it has never been broadcast before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>JUAN&nbsp;GONZ\u00c1LEZ:<\/strong>&nbsp;How did you first start writing science fiction? You grew up in Pasadena?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>JUAN&nbsp;GONZ\u00c1LEZ:<\/strong>&nbsp;And how did you first become attracted to that type of writing?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh, I think I loved it because \u2014 well, I fell into writing it because I saw a bad movie, a movie called&nbsp;<em>Devil Girl from Mars<\/em>, and went into competition with it. But I think I stayed with it because it was so wide open. It gave me the chance to comment on every aspect of humanity. People tend to think of science fiction as, oh,&nbsp;<em>Star Wars<\/em>&nbsp;or&nbsp;<em>Star Trek<\/em>. And the truth is, there are no closed doors, and there are no required formulas. You can go anywhere with it.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;We\u2019re talking to Octavia Butler. Her latest book is&nbsp;<em>Fledgling<\/em>, wrote the&nbsp;<em>Parable<\/em>&nbsp;series. As Katrina was happening, in the aftermath of Katrina, a lot of people were talking about Octavia Butler and how the&nbsp;<em>Parable<\/em>&nbsp;series made them think about that. Explain.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;I wrote the two&nbsp;<em>Parable<\/em>&nbsp;books back in the \u201990s. And they are books about, as I said, what happens because we don\u2019t trouble to correct some of the problems that we\u2019re brewing for ourselves right now. Global warming is one of those problems. And I was aware of it back in the \u201980s. I was reading books about it. And a lot of people were seeing it as politics, as something very iffy, as something they could ignore because nothing was going to come of it tomorrow.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>That and the fact that I think I was paying a lot of attention to education because a lot of my friends were teachers, and the politics of education was getting scarier, it seemed to me. We were getting to that point where we were thinking more about the building of prisons than of schools and libraries. And I remember while I was working on the novels, my hometown, Pasadena, had a bond issue that they passed to aid libraries, and I was so happy that it passed, because so often these things don\u2019t. And they had closed a lot of branch libraries and were able to reopen them. So, not everybody was going in the wrong direction, but a lot of the country still was. And what I wanted to write was a novel of someone who was coming up with solutions of a sort.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>My main character\u2019s solution is \u2014 well, grows from another religion that she comes up with. Religion is everywhere. There are no human societies without it, whether they acknowledge it as a religion or not. So I thought religion might be an answer, as well as, in some cases, a problem. And in, for instance,&nbsp;<em>Parable of the Sower<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>Parable of the Talents<\/em>, it\u2019s both. So I have people who are bringing America to a kind of fascism, because their religion is the only one they\u2019re willing to tolerate. On the other hand, I have people who are saying, \u201cWell, here is another religion, and here are some verses that can help us think in a different way, and here is a destination that isn\u2019t something that we have to wait for after we die.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Octavia Butler, could you read a little from&nbsp;<em>Parable of the Talents<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;I\u2019m going to read a verse or two. And keep in mind these were written early in the \u201990s. But I think they apply forever, actually. This first one, I have a character in the books who is, well, someone who is taking the country fascist and who manages to get elected president and who, oddly enough, comes from Texas. And here is one of the things that my character is inspired to write about this sort of situation. She says:<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><em>Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought.<br>To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears.<br>To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool.<br>To be led by a thief is to offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen.<br>To be led by a liar is to ask to be lied to.<br>To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those you love into slavery.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>And there\u2019s one other that I thought I should read, because I see it happening so much. I got the idea for it when I heard someone answer a political question with a political slogan. And he didn\u2019t seem to realize that he was quoting somebody. He seemed to have thought that he had a creative thought there. And I wrote this verse:<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><em>Beware:<br>All too often,<br>We say<br>What we hear others say.<br>We think<br>What we\u2019re told that we think.<br>We see<br>What we\u2019re permitted to see.<br>Worse!<br>We see what we\u2019re told that we see.<br>Repetition and pride are the keys to this.<br>To hear and to see<br>Even an obvious lie<br>Again<br>And again and again<br>May be to say it,<br>Almost by reflex<br>And then to defend it<br>Because we\u2019ve said it<br>And at last to embrace it<br>Because we\u2019ve defended it<br>And because we cannot admit<br>That we\u2019ve embraced and defended<br>An obvious lie.<br>Thus, without thought,<br>Without intent,<br>We make<br>Mere echoes<br>Of ourselves \u2014&nbsp;<br>And we say<br>What we hear other say.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>Just one more comment on the human condition, I guess.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Octavia Butler, a lot of the themes of your books are about being an outsider. Talk about that. And talk about what it means to be \u2014 I mean, here you are a science-fiction writer. It is rare, the way you weave in issues of race, issues of power, religion. I mean, it\u2019s rare to be a Black woman science-fiction writer.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;That\u2019s true. When I was getting started, there was one other man, Samuel R. Delany. And he was one of my teachers. And we were having a panel discussion at a library one day, and somebody asked, \u201cWell, how many of you are there?\u201d And we looked at each other? And we said, \u201cWe\u2019re two-thirds.\u201d There was one other man up in Canada who was writing, who has since gone a different direction. So, things are better now. But there was a time when there was almost nobody.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Why do you think that is?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;I think part of it is just because people do what they see other people doing. I had a student come up to me at Michigan State University \u2014&nbsp;and this was a young Black woman \u2014 many years ago and say, \u201cYou know, I always loved science fiction. I\u2019ve always wanted to write it. But I didn\u2019t think we did that.\u201d And she was afraid that if she got into it, there would be closed doors. And life is short. So, sometimes people don\u2019t want to take the risk of running into closed doors. My friend said to me, \u201cYou\u2019re doing all this, and we thought you were so brave. And after a while, we decided that you just didn\u2019t have any sense.\u201d So, I have never really wanted to do anything else.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>JUAN&nbsp;GONZ\u00c1LEZ:<\/strong>&nbsp;When you tour around \u2014 and, obviously, the people who come to the readings are the fans who regularly follow you \u2014&nbsp;what is your sense of your readers, in terms of what they\u2019re most attracted to in your writing?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;I\u2019ve always had at least three groups, identifiable groups, of readers. And I remember trying to convince my publishers of this early on and having no success, until I went with a smaller publisher. But the groups \u2014&nbsp;and they used to have their own independent bookstores. There are still a few independents left. But they were science fiction, Black and feminist. And they still are. And, of course, now some mainstream. So, I\u2019m always glad that there are more readers, that people find out about me. People keep telling me, \u201cOh, I would have read you before, but I\u2019ve never heard of you.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;What about the power of fundamentalist religion?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh, I was raised in a fundamentalist church. I was raised Baptist. One of my grandfathers was a Baptist preacher. And I\u2019m actually grateful for one thing specifically: had that conscience installed early. And it\u2019s a monster of a conscience. I can\u2019t really get away with things. I\u2019m not worried about being caught by other people. My own conscience is going to get me.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>It\u2019s when people begin using their religion as just a way of getting power over other people that scares me. And I\u2019m afraid that\u2019s what\u2019s going on in a lot of cases right now. I mean, when people deliberately tell lies \u2014&nbsp;creationism, for instance \u2014 and pretend, oh, it\u2019s not really religion, I mean, they know they\u2019re lying. And yet they\u2019re the religious people. Something wrong there. When people use their religion to hurt other people, to say, \u201cOh, well, no, you have to embrace this means of sex education and not that one, because our religion says so,\u201d it\u2019s a misuse. But I guess religion is such a powerful thing, it\u2019s bound to be misused.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;As we wrap up this interview, for young people, as you said, that you think perhaps there are few Black women science-fiction writers because they haven\u2019t seen them before.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, there are more now. The anecdote I told you was several years ago.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;But when you were a kid \u2014<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u2014&nbsp;there \u2014&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;There were none.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;So, how did you go into it?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;With my eyes tightly shut. I assumed that I could do it. I wasn\u2019t being brave or even thoughtful. I wanted it. And I assumed I could have it.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;So, what advice do you have for young people today?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Who want to write? Oh, definitely, that they should. It\u2019s difficult and sometimes impossible. I mean, here I am coming off a very long writer\u2019s block, so I can acknowledge the difficulty.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;How long?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Seven years. It didn\u2019t mean that I wasn\u2019t writing. Writer\u2019s block is not when I\u2019m not writing. It\u2019s when I\u2019m not writing anything worthwhile.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;And for people who suffer from writer\u2019s block, your advice?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p><strong>OCTAVIA&nbsp;BUTLER:<\/strong>&nbsp;Keep writing. Keep writing. It\u2019s the old idea that behavior that gets rewarded tends to get repeated. If you stop writing, then you\u2019re kind of rewarding yourself with not writing. If you keep writing, after a while your brain maybe gets the idea. I\u2019m not sure I said that very clearly, but I hope you know what I mean. Just that if you are a writer, you can\u2019t stop writing. I used to have a teacher who said, \u201cIf anything can prevent you being a writer, don\u2019t be one.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>AMY&nbsp;GOODMAN:<\/strong>&nbsp;The visionary feminist Black science-fiction writer Octavia Butler, speaking on&nbsp;<em>Democracy Now!<\/em>&nbsp;in November 2005 in one of her final television interviews. She died on February 24th, 2006 \u2014 15 years ago this week \u2014 after a fall outside her home outside Seattle, Washington.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bathtubbulletin.com\/#facebook\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>STORYFEBRUARY 23, 2021 Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought.To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears.To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool.To be led by a thief is to offer up&#8230; <a class=\"continue-reading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/2025\/01\/19\/octavia-butler-shares-cautionary-tales-in-unearthed-2005-interview\/\"> Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr; <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38892"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38892"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38892\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38895,"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38892\/revisions\/38895"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38892"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38892"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occupysf.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38892"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}